This Is Really Disappointing. smh

[Ironman]

Personally I have never told a guy what they should negotiate for or what they should spend.  I don't know their budget. I don't know what the experience with one of you girls.

I always paid as much as I could at the time.  I also always made it clear with in 5 minutes after walking into a brothel what my plan was for that visit.  I personally don't want you girls to waist your time on me if I ain't booking that night.  Its nice if you are willing to have a short conversation 3  minutes. Just to keep the lady on my radar. Even if I am not booking them that night those short conversations will determine rather I might want to book her next time I have money to spend. But I make It clear up front my plan. If the lady chooses to sit anyway cool. But that is on her I would rather she focus on someone who is ready to book right then.

The one time I met you briefly in December of 2016 It was perfect I wasn't ready to book, and you were going off shift. But you introduced yourself and chatted for about 5 minutes then gave me a hug before leaving the floor.  It was perfect you made enough of a good impression I probably would have booked you if we had ever crossed paths again. It just has never worked out that way. We have never crossed paths again since December of 16
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Yes some ladies have spent a lot more than 5 minutes with me in the bar. But I made a point to comp them what I could each time. Rather it was a 20, or just a drink. In each case the girl was well aware we were not going into her room that night. But in each case I did eventually come through with at least one party in Charlotte's case twice.  I steal feel like I owe her at least one more. I just don't know if fate will allow it to happen. ☹ I have a lot going on right now that go beyond money life issues and life changes in general time will tell.

Just to be clear I know you were not talking to me Rachel. I just get ticked off ? When some Wanker! Waist the time of you girls.

[rachelvarga]

A few of you come in, sit around, and spend a lot of time talking and chatting with us. We don't mind though because you've been around and we know you aren't trying to screw us over. Many girls talk to you even though they don't party with you. That's pretty cool, right?


Wrong. A few of you are telling new customers what to negotiate for. The prices you are telling them are way below the average rate. You are telling them that they are stupid if they pay over a certain rate. Why would you do something as fucking stupid as that? We know you are not going to pay a lot because we certainly aren't making huge profits. But still we treat you good. I can't understand the reasoning for this. Maybe you think we make tons of money and buy Mercedes and Louis Vuitton purses? If so we don't have to justify anything to you. Maybe you secretly hate women or maybe you're just a dick. I don't know what it is but I'm tired of people's need to fuck up our business. I bet this wouldn't happen to guys.


I wonder what would happen if your were at a car dealership hanging out among the cars and going up to people and telling them don't pay this or that because you're stupid if you do. You would get kicked off the lot and told to never come back. You are not a partner in our business and we do not pay you to negotiate for us. It's none of your goddamn business what we do.


You are creating the perception that we rip people off. That not only cuts into our pay but the Mustang loses money too. I mean they practically treat you like family with all the discounts and free stuff you get. Dont be surprised when you don't get a discount next time because we have to make up for the losses you inflict upon by denying us the right to do our own negotiations without your interference.


I want to point out that this is not all of you. It's just a select few people. Thank you to the rest for letting us conduct our business.

[Florida Couple]

Thank you for making things clear for everyone.  We try not to waste anyone’s time. I even try not to send dm / pm to ladies because I know it’s incessant flirting and time wasting that most ladies run into.  I only try to message if I know we’re going to see if you or another lady will be available for our time frame.

We’re newbies still so, we can’t give any prices to anyone outside to the well known “monger” rates in Elko.  The first girl we met was Santana, from the dovetail, ranch. We were so nervous we ended up spending 2 1/2 hours taking to her and it felt like 30 minutes.  We took so long that we left for lunch (still kind of breakfast time for the ladies there) and came back after a couple hours.  We partied with her and gave her a tip for the time because I understand it’s work.  I like to think I’m easy to talk to and I do have the gift of gab but, it was still work.

I never thought of the pricing thing like this.  We will keep that in mind.  Sorry, this is happening or has happened to you.  You’re a cool chick that I hope to meet one day.  Your beautiful, smart.... the personality a little direct (like to be charmed)  but, I can work with that.... the Mrs is pretty blunt and direct too  ;D

Center, be zen, and have a good weekend.

[rachelvarga]

It has not happened to me because I don't party with any of them.

[rachelvarga]

BUT if I find out someone did this to me I won't have any problem marching out and telling them what I think.

[SToN3y]

I'm not nearly as experienced in the brothel scene to go around telling guys what to pay for certain girls. Now, I know what price works for me personally, but I also know every brothel is different, every lady is different. The Mustang is not Inez's and Sagebrush is not Dovetail. All the houses have unique girls and each girl has their price. So far, my experience only covers the small, northern brothels. As I go further West and experience the larger Reno brothels, I expect them to be very different in several aspects. Don't go into something with a preconceived notion or you just might be disappointed.

YMMV is a saying that applies just as much to the negotiation as the party. Don't expect to pay what someone else did for similar services. In fact, telling people what they should pay, as Rachel mentioned, is very unfair to the girl and I would expect it would cause you to get blacklisted.

I hope I never give this impression. Not sure how I feel about the temporary escorting service at the Mustang, just based on my sour experiences with escorting in the past, but if some guys want to pay to take their favorite girl on an outdate to support them in this frustrating time, then they should feel free to do so!

Sorry if this has hurt business for you or your co-workers...

[NavySteve]

I am still  new to the LPIN. So far I have not been price walked. Every negotiation has been short and sweet. I can start with a number and work up, but I start with my budget number then base time and activities around that. And I always bring a thank you card with a tip enclosed. These ladies are worth their time and talent. Spending time in conversation and PMing prior to a visit makes for a great experience. And if I am only there for a tour, I let them know from the start and tip afterwards

[SixT9er]

I’m self employed & would not be happy, correction would be pissed if someone said I should only be paid $X for my service & if they pay me more they’re stupid!
I have a base rate but also a sliding scale based on many variables as I’m sure the Ladies do. For someone else to set my price is not acceptable in any way & it shouldn’t happen to the Ladies.
For my simple thoughts on a Ladies price I refer you to my sig line below.

[Lee]

Ladies deserve to make all they can, just as any worker desires to do. Anyone who would fk that up is lower than snake sh**. Thank you Dear Rachel (and all Ladies) who carryon/endure thru the challenging aspects of the industry and know that many men respect and adore you. 

[rachelvarga]

I know it sounds bad to some but it's just not being able to come to an agreement. It sounds like perp walk. I never get upset if it doesn't work out. It's cool.

Rachel Varga
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[AlexaWu]

Ladies deserve to make all they can, just as any worker desires to do. Anyone who would fk that up is lower than snake sh**. Thank you Dear Rachel (and all Ladies) who carryon/endure thru the challenging aspects of the industry and know that many men respect and adore you. 

xoxoxo

[AlexaWu]

Well said Rachel, I never understood why guys do this either.

Recently it hit me, some  men feel 'empowered' telling patrons what to negotiate for and how much a girl will accept. Like they are the king and know the ropes.

The guys who go for the new girls, we keep an eye out for each other.
The guys who said they never been to the ranches before, it always comes out and like I said, we keep an eye out for each other.

The girls are IC's but we treat each other with respect and want each other to succeed since we are all working hard.

We are working because we have to and we want it to be enjoyable to everyone.

[Chicagobob]

I hardly ever engage in pricing threads, but I think this one needs some clarification.  Mongers and ladies are opposite sides of the same coin.  The ladies have to remember that they do the exact same thing that the gents do with price talk.   

I've heard the ladies talk amongst themselves saying the same thing.  "You're stupid to party with that guy for that amount - other guys will pay more." Or the old brothel mantra that I always hear in Carson City "Don't bring down the house."

The car dealership analogy is spot on!  At the car dealership, you try to bargain to get the lowest price and the dealer tries to get you to pay a premium.  As far as us guys getting discounts in the past, I don't consider what I pay any kind of discount - not even in Elko.  It is true that experienced mongers will negotiate a better price, but it's still a lot of money for an hour of sex.  Another thing to keep in mind is most mongers will repeat if they are treated right. 

The notion that mongers price talk to feel powerful is also inaccurate.  We share pricing info to hold the line on prices - the same as the ladies do.  Remember, "don't bring down the house?"  Our goal is to keep the prices in check as well! 

For the ladies to get upset about men who price talk is like the tea pot calling the kettle black.  It's no more than a double-standard.  In addition, I party with a LOT of new girls - not to "prey" on them, but because they are fresher and often less jaded. 

One final thing to remember is that the guys will share info about the ladies as well - not just price talk.  Reputation is everything in this business...

[SixT9er]

I hardly ever engage in pricing threads, but I think this one needs some clarification.  Mongers and ladies are opposite sides of the same coin.  The ladies have to remember that they do the exact same thing that the gents do with price talk.   

I've heard the ladies talk amongst themselves saying the same thing.  "You're stupid to party with that guy for that amount - other guys will pay more." Or the old brothel mantra that I always hear in Carson City "Don't bring down the house."

The car dealership analogy is spot on!  At the car dealership, you try to bargain to get the lowest price and the dealer tries to get you to pay a premium.  As far as us guys getting discounts in the past, I don't consider what I pay any kind of discount - not even in Elko.  It is true that experienced mongers will negotiate a better price, but it's still a lot of money for an hour of sex.  Another thing to keep in mind is most mongers will repeat if they are treated right. 

The notion that mongers price talk to feel powerful is also inaccurate.  We share pricing info to hold the line on prices - the same as the ladies do.  Remember, "don't bring down the house?"  Our goal is to keep the prices in check as well! 

For the ladies to get upset about men who price talk is like calling the kettle black.  It's no more than a double-standard.  In addition, I party with a LOT of new girls - not to "prey" on them, but because they are fresher and often less jaded. 

One final thing to remember is that the guys will share info about the ladies as well - not just price talk.  Reputation is everything in this business...

From what I’m reading price talk is not the issue. If you want to share what you paid that’s up to you but if it’s added you’re an idiot if you pay more then that’s where this topic is pointed.
As I posted I’m self employed & have had to deal with “you charged “Bob” $x why are you charging me $X+?” That’s easy for me to deal with & I explain the difference. I have not encountered a potential client tell me they’ve  been told not to pay me more than $X by a previous client. If I did I’d be pissed especially if it was a client I cut a break to.
If Ladies don’t compare notes I’d be surprised but how & what they say doesn’t matter to me because they will either accept my off or they won’t but it’s my offer not an offer I’ve been told to make by others

[Slednx]

I hardly ever engage in pricing threads, but I think this one needs some clarification.  Mongers and ladies are opposite sides of the same coin.  The ladies have to remember that they do the exact same thing that the gents do with price talk.   

I've heard the ladies talk amongst themselves saying the same thing.  "You're stupid to party with that guy for that amount - other guys will pay more." Or the old brothel mantra that I always hear in Carson City "Don't bring down the house."

The car dealership analogy is spot on!  At the car dealership, you try to bargain to get the lowest price and the dealer tries to get you to pay a premium.  As far as us guys getting discounts in the past, I don't consider what I pay any kind of discount - not even in Elko.  It is true that experienced mongers will negotiate a better price, but it's still a lot of money for an hour of sex.  Another thing to keep in mind is most mongers will repeat if they are treated right. 

The notion that mongers price talk to feel powerful is also inaccurate.  We share pricing info to hold the line on prices - the same as the ladies do.  Remember, "don't bring down the house?"  Our goal is to keep the prices in check as well! 

For the ladies to get upset about men who price talk is like calling the kettle black.  It's no more than a double-standard.  In addition, I party with a LOT of new girls - not to "prey" on them, but because they are fresher and often less jaded. 

One final thing to remember is that the guys will share info about the ladies as well - not just price talk.  Reputation is everything in this business...

Excellent post, agree with you. Seems like ladies only like it when price talk favors them. All guys care what the price is, even those who say otherwise as has been proven before.

As someone who likes "new girls" , I take offense that I am preying on them. New girls are new faces, new experiences and often times you do get a genuine GFE experience with them before others ruin that.

[Slednx]

So, this thread is about working girls being upset that clients are harming their business by talking to other clients about maximums they should pay. The other side of it next.

Guy parties with new girl. Great time, sees her again and again. New girl is befriended by established lady, possibly even client to both at one time. Party details are divulged. Guy goes to see new favorite girl again only to now have his usual offer rejected, told for activities engaged in, new price will be 50-100% higher.

Example has happened to me numerous times and is how another lady fucks with MY BUSINESS!  Not all the time, as all my ATF's were once the new girl and didn't change their pricing structure but it's easy to tell when other ladies have gotten a hold of them.

[Chicagobob]

So, this thread is about working girls being upset that clients are harming their business by talking to other clients about maximums they should pay. The other side of it next.

Guy parties with new girl. Great time, sees her again and again. New girl is befriended by established lady, possibly even client to both at one time. Party details are divulged. Guy goes to see new favorite girl again only to now have his usual offer rejected, told for activities engaged in, new price will be 50-100% higher.

Example has happened to me numerous times and is how another lady fucks with MY BUSINESS!  Not all the time, as all my ATF's were once the new girl and didn't change their pricing structure but it's easy to tell when other ladies have gotten a hold of them.

THAT!

I can't remember all the times that has happened to me.  The only girl that was loyal to me (ever) was Farrah Banks.  When she went from LRN to Bunny Ranch, she flat out told Dennis that she wasn't going to do the "platinum switch" with her old clients.  That girl had character!

[Uncle_Duke]

A big thank you goes out to Chicago Bob and Slednx, good posts guys

[rachelvarga]

Their posts are total bullshit.

[Ironman]

? I see this topic heading in a negative direction real quick.  Maybe I am on the wrong forum???