Logistical question for ladies

[TC]

I think I'm within forum rules as I'm not naming names or prices, and not promoting illegal work.


I've noticed several one time very vocal proponents of LPIN who have gone indie are now referring to themselves as professional models who will “model” for a fee on their website/Twitter.


My question is what kind of risk does this put the lady in, legally? Do they simply have to rely on their screening process to keep cops away?


I ask because many of these women also tweet regularly about sex work albeit without directly referencing their own services. It seems like putting oneself at risk of jail. Am I wrong?

[SixT9er]

I’m not a Lady but I hope you don’t mind me chiming in.


Yes they are putting themselves at risk for LE to come after them just like any other indie. Twitter and Instagram are full of indies and former legal girls who have gone that route.


Not sure why those sites aren’t concerned with FOSTA etc but they don’t seem to be

[isurfer]

Personally I think you're wrong and a bit paranoid, but other people are too. You mention "law enforcement" but which local, state, or national agency has the time, resources, and desire to look into such businesses on the internet for prosecution? Will any of them have jurisdiction and desire to prosecute someone in a foreign country or even in a different state?

Modeling, even nude modeling is not illegal and has been done for years as long as the model is of legal age. Skin magazines like Hustler and Playboy had nude models, right? Artists, like painters,  drawers and sculpters use models along with photographers. Is web camming illegal? Damn, if it is, then there are thousands of women (and men) that should be charged with a crime too. Many people think of web camming as sex work and so is porn. Care to be in and film your own porn movie with an actress/model? Some have their own website and fan base clubs.

[TC]

Personally I think you're wrong and a bit paranoid, but other people are too. You mention "law enforcement" but which local, state, or national agency has the time, resources, and desire to look into such businesses on the internet for prosecution? Will any of them have jurisdiction and desire to prosecute someone in a foreign country or even in a different state?

Modeling, even nude modeling is not illegal and has been done for years as long as the model is of legal age. Skin magazines like Hustler and Playboy had nude models, right? Artists, like painters,  drawers and sculpters use models along with photographers. Is web camming illegal? Damn, if it is, then there are thousands of women (and men) that should be charged with a crime too. Many people think of web camming as sex work and so is porn. Care to be in and film your own porn movie with an actress/model? Some have their own website and fan base clubs.

I wouldn’t say paranoid so much as I don’t know how it works. If I were a cop and wanted an easy bust it seems like there’s a lot of leads out there from ladies’ twitter accounts. So I was wondering how much risk actually is involved. I do want to clarify I don’t think anything is wrong with nude modeling, cam work, escorting, companionship, fucking, whatever! To each their own.

[SixT9er]

I wouldn’t say paranoid so much as I don’t know how it works. If I were a cop and wanted an easy bust it seems like there’s a lot of leads out there from ladies’ twitter accounts. So I was wondering how much risk actually is involved. I do want to clarify I don’t think anything is wrong with nude modeling, cam work, escorting, companionship, fucking, whatever! To each their own.

I agree it is easy pickings but I doubt the LE agencies want to be bogged down by what more often than not is a victimless crime. They will hit hard when they get wind of human trafficking or the powers that be get a bug up their asses and instruct them to come down on illegal prostitution  but otherwise they have bigger problems than illegal escorts.

[isurfer]

I wouldn’t say paranoid so much as I don’t know how it works. If I were a cop and wanted an easy bust it seems like there’s a lot of leads out there from ladies’ twitter accounts. So I was wondering how much risk actually is involved. I do want to clarify I don’t think anything is wrong with nude modeling, cam work, escorting, companionship, fucking, whatever! To each their own.

How it works? The way I see it is that local citizens or politicians need to make it an issue before local law enforcement thinks about taking action. Yeah, politics and voters. Miami cops are probably not going after any Nevada models, escorts, or whatever, local residents are concerned only about their neighborhood for the most part. That's why vice stings for illegal prostitution happens in Las Vegas, Reno, and where I used to work in Long Beach. Too much internet shit to waste time on, the cops needed to focus on their local area. Are the models advertising specific sex acts, or are you just reading into that, thinking that it is there but it really isn't? Most know how to word things appropriately. If they describe what they did in porn movies, on webcam, or in legal brothels when they work there, is that illegal? What happened in the past is different from what might happen in the future.

[wayne208]

I will always stick with LPIN .. The Ladies are safe and are Very Classy .. Including The Bomb and Kitten at the Mustang and Roxy and Belle at the Dovetail .. The house's give a vibe also ..  I would rather go down on a Lady from LPIN than have Sex with Some Lady I picked up at a Bar .. I will not get any STD that way .. To Each guy their own Choice .. Why waste Money at a Strip Club or on Cam Girls when You can have the real Deal in Person .. 8)

[Cobia]

They do "stings" in Corpus fairly often.  Some were caused by internet "they said'.  Who knows.

[Dr. Who]

LE doesn't have the funding and resources to go after all forms of prostitution, so their primary targets are going to be trafficking, organized prostitution, areas where prostitution becomes problematic for the communities, etc.

LE use to use backpage, craigslist, and other online sites quite often to set up sting operations, here in Chicago.  Whenever one went down, it was allows reported on our local news.  Our Cook Co. sheriff (Tom Dart) is rather famous for targeting illegal prostitution and setting up stings and was part of the group that took down BP, but resources can only go so far. 

It would also be a waste of tax payers money to target individual indies considering the amount of resources that would be required to investigate each case, make the arrests, and then tie up the court system with a never ending flow of prostitution cases when there are more dangerous and violent criminals out there that they should be directing those resource towards.

[RoxyGold]

I would imagine, and I could be wrong, that it’s not that different from a massage parlor that gives happy endings or a bath house with “attendants”. The front is legal, and the “extras” that are illegal are spoken in code or not spoken at all. Could there be a sting? Maybe. Maybe not. That’s why it’s a risk.

[rachelvarga]

I think I'm within forum rules as I'm not naming names or prices, and not promoting illegal work.


I've noticed several one time very vocal proponents of LPIN who have gone indie are now referring to themselves as professional models who will “model” for a fee on their website/Twitter.


My question is what kind of risk does this put the lady in, legally? Do they simply have to rely on their screening process to keep cops away?


I ask because many of these women also tweet regularly about sex work albeit without directly referencing their own services. It seems like putting oneself at risk of jail. Am I wrong?

Ladies use the term professional model depends on her intent. If she has independent sex ads then it's pretty easy to figure out what they mean. I don't think it changes anything really. Vice will figure out the terminology and do things just like before.

[Rand McNally]

Ms Mighty P,


No one is ever arrested for prostitution, but for solicitation. As Roxy said, language is the key. Nude modeling, dancing, etc are protected by the first amendment. Solicitation for such can bring the two interested parties together, for a verbal tap dance of who propositions who first. I have wondered if this is the origin of the term 'party'--"Your Honor, I did not solicit sex. I only asked the undercover officer if he wanted to come to my party."


In THE LAST HONEST PLACE IN AMERICA Marc Cooper tells of a group of guys who requested the service of an exotic dancer. When she arrived she asked what they had in mind. When they finally convinced her all they wanted was dancing, she cursed them for wasting her time and left.

[TC]

So basically it's a risk but unless you're a really big fish, LE doesn't have time to crack down on sex workers using twitter as a medium. Makes sense.

[Rand McNally]

One problem with discussing law enforcement of illegal prostitution is that those who have done such work for obvious reasons aren't publically discussing it.[/size]

Another issue is that She Who Runs the Board has mandated 'no talkie about Indies.' To that end I just modified this message to delete my further comments on the subject.[/size]