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The Demon Core

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:18 pm
by rachelvarga
Speaking of Fermi. He told Louis Stotlin that if he continued with experiments in the way he did, basically winging it with a screwdriver that he would be dead in a year. Stotlin was dead in a year. Killed by the Demon Core.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core

The story of the Demon core should give you a sense of just how risky some of the physicists working on the bomb and it's components were. Today there is no way they would ever allow these guys to do these things. Bring plutonium to a critical state or right up to it by holding the the beryllium reflector as close as possible without touching using a screwdrive? Wow. Or like Daghilian dropping a beryllium brick on? The core was supposed to be the third bomb dropped on Japan. Even though, science has it's risk and they were trying to further understanding of nuclear physics and their contributions are important.

Now in saying this I want to say that is seems that time in American people felt more that risks had to be taken to stay ahead of the Soviet Union and this is true. Some astronauts were test pilots and you have to have the biggest balls to get on a rocket when you know it very well could explode. You needed people that willing to risk things for country and science. I have to say  that I can totally respect what those guys did.

I try to watch things like this because they are interesting and I was never taught any of these things.

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:00 pm
by Banginit
Rachel Varga link wrote: Speaking of Fermi. He told Louis Stotlin that if he continued with experiments in the way he did, basically winging it with a screwdriver that he would be dead in a year. Stotlin was dead in a year. Killed by the Demon Core.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core

The story of the Demon core should give you a sense of just how risky some of the physicists working on the bomb and it's components were. Today there is no way they would ever allow these guys to do these things. Bring plutonium to a critical state or right up to it by holding the the beryllium reflector as close as possible without touching using a screwdriver? Wow. Or like Daghilian dropping a beryllium brick on? The core was supposed to be the third bomb dropped on Japan. Even though, science has it's risk and they were trying to further understanding of nuclear physics and their contributions are important.

Now in saying this I want to say that is seems that time in American people felt more that risks had to be taken to stay ahead of the Soviet Union and this is true. Some astronauts were test pilots and you have to have the biggest balls to get on a rocket when you know it very well could explode. You needed people that willing to risk things for country and science. I have to say  that I can totally respect what those guys did.

I try to watch things like this because they are interesting and I was never taught any of these things.[/size]
  Wow I know none of this stuff....thank you..I am n awe...humbled Big Bang?

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:14 pm
by rachelvarga
Banginit link wrote:   Wow I know none of this stuff....thank you..I am n awe...humbled Big Bang?
It's just from perusing Youtube and stuff.

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:21 pm
by G
I watched a video about the testing of the first nuclear bomb.  It was interesting.  The scientist did the theory and calculations but the test was the first of its kind and they did not know if they were going to blow up the earth or not.  They just put the sunglasses on and observed it.  8)

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:34 pm
by rachelvarga
G link wrote: I watched a video about the testing of the first nuclear bomb.  It was interesting.  The scientist did the theory and calculations but the test was the first of its kind and they did not know if they were going to blow up the earth or not.  They just put the sunglasses on and observed it.  8)
Pretty crazy. I mean you can do mathematical calculations to determine the yield of the explosive but there were many unknowns at that time. Imagine witnessing a nuclear test (with glasses). Personally I would be in awe of it's beauty and scared of it's power at the same time.

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:34 am
by Banginit
Rachel Varga link wrote: ......Personally I would be in awe of it's beauty and scared of it's power at the same time.
Kind of like meeting you for the first time.... ;)

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:30 pm
by Prospector Bob
I worked with nuclear weapons when I was in the Army. I know about stuff like this because it was part of our safety curriculum in Nuke school. Believe me when I tell you there have been a bunch more incidents like these. It's amazing how stupid supposedly highly intelligent scientists can be.    : :)

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:07 pm
by Banginit
Prospector Bob link wrote: I worked with nuclear weapons when I was in the Army. I know about stuff like this because it was part of our safety curriculum in Nuke school. Believe me when I tell you there have been a bunch more incidents like these. It's amazing how stupid supposedly highly intelligent scientists can be.    : :)
oh Im sure of that... had a friend who was a nuke sub engineer for navy

Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:24 am
by rachelvarga
At least 60 accidents. One in which a worker in Japan received a dose of radiation so high it literally destroyed his chromosones. They kept him alive over 80 days. He looked like he melted. Like just skin bag with fluid. The picture is so gruesome I won't post it.

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Re: The Demon Core

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:41 pm
by whackymole
Now in saying this I want to say that is seems that time in American people felt more that risks had to be taken to stay ahead of the Soviet Union and this is true. Some astronauts were test pilots and you have to have the biggest balls to get on a rocket when you know it very well could explode. You needed people that willing to risk things for country and science. I have to say  that I can totally respect what those guys did.

I try to watch things like this because they are interesting and I was never taught any of these things.
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This reminds me that one of the celebrity deaths of 2020 is Chuck Yeager who passed on of old age earlier this month at 97. Not an entertainer, but a history maker, the guy is considered to be history's greatest test pilot who flew every type of American, foreign, and captured enemy fighter and interceptor aircraft in the 1940's, 50's, and 60's flying them well beyond their designed limits. The Soviets were shocked by how he flew their airplanes well beyond what they thought was possible, none of their pilots would dare try to do what he did. 

The job of test pilot during this period was much more dangerous than combat flying, and the mortality rate of test pilots was brutal. The top American ace of WWII and the top ace of the Korean War were both killed shortly after being pulled from combat and assigned the test pilot role, the higher ups actually thought this was a safer assignment for their star pilots. Yeager made history when he became the first human to travel faster than the speed of sound and break the sound barrier. And he did so with broken ribs in an a severe injury he was disguising. His plane, the X-1 he used is on display at the Smithsonian alongside the Wright Flyer, and the Lindbergh Spirit of St. Louis. He went from a poor kid in West Virginia just out of high school, to a high scoring World War II fighter ace, to a history making test pilot all in just a little over 6 years. Only possible during the WWII and early Cold War era when rapidly advancing technology, and looming foreign threats forced the US to give opportunities to the bravest and ballsiest and make them into unconventional American heroes.

He was one of the last still living World War II fighter aces, there are not very many left in this world, and those that are, are around 100. Heck, there is only 1 still living Korean War fighter ace out of over 40. Like most of the World War II generation these elite pilots are rapidly departing this world.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager